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Monday, 12 April 2010

Walking Your Dog on Camps Bay Main Beach - Pain or Pleasure?


A very large proportion of residents in Camps Bay own dogs and love to take them out for exercise, but these dogwalks have become a pain to dog owners rather than a pleasure thanks to the enforcement of the bylaw against dogs off leash.

Problem is that many of the dogs in Camps Bay are medium to large dogs. They are not lapdogs. They are part of our security system. They need more exercise than what a normal middle-aged person can give them on leash. Frankly, they need somewhere where they can run free, meet other dogs, play, splash in the sea and generally enjoy themselves. We owe it to them.

CBRRA understands that the enjoyment of the use of the beach by people who do not own dogs must also be ensured, in a manner by means of which dog owners and the remainder of the beach going population can be equally and fairly catered for. CBRRA has therefore evolved a solution which it considers will amicably solve the existing ongoing problem

As proposed at CBRRA's public meeting on 16 March 2010, it wishes to take a proposal to the Ward Forum for consideration and hopefully submission to the Sub-council for approval. The issue will be discussed with City Council officials, but firstly we need to assess the re-action of the community.

CBRRA’s proposal is:

ITEM 1: DOGWALKING ON THE MAIN CAMPS BAY BEACH:

SUMMER: 01 November to 30 April
a. Dogs only on leashes - 6 pm to 5 am
b. Dogs not on leashes - 5 am to 9 am
c. No dogs allowed on beach - 9 am to 6 pm.

WINTER: 01 May to 31 October
d. Dogs only on leashes – 3 pm to 6 am
e. Dogs not on leashes - 6 am to 11 am
f. No dogs allowed on beach - 11 am to 3 pm

As a further initiative we wish to gauge your reaction to the following proposal:

ITEM 2: DOGWALKING IN THE GLEN:

All areas except The Glen picnic area:
a. OFF LEASH: ALL HOURS

The Glen picnic area:
b. ON LEASH: Saturday & Sunday 12h00 to sunset.
c. OFF LEASH: All hours except the abovementioned.

-------------------------- TO VOTE --------------------------

Please send your comment in the block below, as follows:

  • Your name and email address:
  • ITEM 1
  • a Yes
  • b No
  • ...etc.
  • Comments without names and/or email address will not be calculated.
You can also email your answers in private to almahorn@gmail.com.
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VOTE ‹‹HERE ››

Without public support, we cannot proceed !!!

YOUR RESPONSE IS VITAL !!!

Remember:
You must pick up dog poo at all times throughout the year! To assist you with this CBRRA will ensure that the CTCC provide dogpoo bins and plastic bags on the beach as they have done elsewhere in the city.

Also note that you need Dogwalking Permits to go into the SANPARKS area, and that dog are off leash anywhere in the TMNP except in special management areas, incl the Glen Picnic Area.

Find the Sanparks Dogwalking Rules web address ‹‹here›› where you can see exactly what goes on where.


103 comments:

  1. Anonymous8:08 am

    Mary Lloyd
    hooba@iafrica.com
    Item 1 yes
    Item 2 yes

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  2. Alma Horn10:58 am

    Alma Horn
    almahorn @ gmail.com
    Item 1 Yes to all
    Item 2 Yes to all

    ReplyDelete
  3. Anonymous12:23 pm

    Judith Deister
    juddeister@gmx.de
    item 1 yes to all
    Item 2 yes to all

    ReplyDelete
  4. Anonymous2:15 pm

    Byron Herbert
    byron@herbert.co.za
    yes to all

    ReplyDelete
  5. john powell12:27 am

    John Powell said

    yes to all

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  6. Sieggy Cooke8:22 pm

    Sieggy Cooke
    Yes 2 All
    sieggyc@gmail.com

    ReplyDelete
  7. Anonymous9:52 am

    Colin Carter
    colin@cartermail.org
    Yes to all

    ReplyDelete
  8. Anonymous6:24 pm

    Michaela Soule
    michaelasoule@telkomsa.net
    Item 1:
    a) dogs should be allowed without leashes after 6pm
    b)yes ok
    c)yes
    Item 2:
    a)yes
    b)yes
    c)yes

    Further comments: Mrs Eva and Thomas Behnisch both residents of Camps Bay asked me to put their vote forward as the above - they do not have email or Internet.
    Many thanks,
    Michaela Soule

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  9. Anonymous8:43 am

    Noleen Hepburn
    noleen.hepburn@mazars.co.za
    Item 1:
    a) dogs should be allowed without leashes after 6pm
    b)yes
    c)yes

    Item 2:
    a)yes
    b)yes
    c)yes

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  10. Anonymous9:46 am

    yes to all

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  11. Anonymous7:26 pm

    Most dog owners who walk their dogs on Camps Bay beach and in the Glen are responsible caring pet owners who clean up after their pets and have well behaved and controlled animals. The taking away of this right would indeed be a shame. By all means allocate times when dogs should be leashed but leave us alone.

    We and our pets are far more in control than some of the beachgoers I have seen.

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  12. Heinz and Tanya Barben9:34 pm

    Heinz and Tanya Barben tanyabarben@gmail.comk


    ITEM 1: DOGWALKING ON THE MAIN CAMPS BAY BEACH:

    SUMMER: 01 November to 30 April
    a. Dogs only on leashes - 6 pm to 5 am TOO RESTRICTIVE
    b. Dogs not on leashes - 5 am to 9 am AND BETWEEN 6 PM TO 9 AM YES, ALLOW EVENING WALKS
    c. No dogs allowed on beach - 9 am to 6 pm.YES

    WINTER: 01 May to 31 October
    d. Dogs only on leashes – 3 pm to 6 am TOO RESTRICTIVE
    e. Dogs not on leashes - 6 am to 11 am YES
    f. No dogs allowed on beach - 11 am to 3 pm YES


    All areas except The Glen picnic area:
    a. OFF LEASH: ALL HOURS YES

    The Glen picnic area:
    b. ON LEASH: Saturday & Sunday 12h00 to sunset. TO 5pm SO DOGS CAN WALK IN THE GLEN
    c. OFF LEASH: All hours except the abovementioned.

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  13. Anonymous9:33 am

    Anne-Marie Vos
    annemarie@strika.com
    Item 1:
    a) dogs should be allowed without leashes after 6pm
    b)yes
    c)yes

    Item 2:
    a)yes
    b)no (area usually empty of non dog owners)
    c)yes

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  14. I support off leash all hours at beach and glen. My dog regards walking on a leash at the beach as torture. Extending on leash hours doesn't help. The point of taking a dog to the beach is to let him off the leash. Even for those who don't like dogs I fail to see why there should be any restrictions in winter and least of all why we cant take an off leash dog to the beach at any time in winter. Colin Kahanovitz colink@law.co.za

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  15. Anonymous10:11 am

    Chris Emmanuel chris_e@mweb.co.za

    ITEM 1
    a. No leashes after 6pm
    Yes to the rest

    ITEM 2
    Yes to all

    Thanks

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  16. Cleon and Kate Romano10:21 am

    ITEM 1: DOGWALKING ON THE MAIN CAMPS BAY BEACH:
    SUMMER: 01 November to 30 April
    a. 6 pm to 5 am SHOULD BE OFF LEASH - BEACH ALMOST EMPTY
    b. 5 am to 9 am off leash - YES
    c. 9 am to 6 pm. No dogs allowed on beach -
    ALLOW DOGS IF ON LEASH

    WINTER: 01 May to 31 October
    d. Dogs only on leashes – 3 pm to 6 am ALLOW OFF LEASH
    e. Dogs not on leashes - 6 am to 11 am YES
    f. No dogs allowed on beach - 11 am to 3 pm ALLOW DOGS IF ON LEASH

    ITEM 2: DOGWALKING IN THE GLEN:
    ALLOW OFF LEASH AT ALL TIMES

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  17. Anonymous10:26 am

    SUMMER: 01 November to 30 April
    a. Dogs only on leashes - 6 pm to 5 am - Yes
    b. Dogs not on leashes - 5 am to 9 am - - Restricted, but Yes
    c. No dogs allowed on beach - 9 am to 6 pm. - Yes

    WINTER: 01 May to 31 October
    d. Dogs only on leashes – 3 pm to 6 am - yes
    e. Dogs not on leashes - 6 am to 11 am - restricted but, yes
    f. No dogs allowed on beach - 11 am to 3 pm - Yes

    ITEM 2: DOGWALKING IN THE GLEN:

    All areas except The Glen picnic area:
    a. OFF LEASH: ALL HOURS

    The Glen picnic area:
    b. ON LEASH: Saturday & Sunday 12h00 to sunset. - yes
    c. OFF LEASH: All hours except the abovementioned. - yes

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  18. Anonymous10:39 am

    Niki Prinz
    info@sticar.co.za
    Summer:
    yes to all
    Winter: not many people on beach during winter months so allow dogs off leash at any time
    Glen: yes to all

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  19. Pauline Leith10:40 am

    SUMMER: 01 November to 30 April
    a. NO, Dogs should have a period during the evenings where they are allow to play off leash. I would recommend that they are allowed off leash from 6pm
    b. Yes support
    c. Yes – Support

    WINTER: 01 May to 31 October
    d. NO, Dogs should have a period during the evenings where they are allow to play off leash
    e. Yes, support
    f. Yes, support

    ITEM 2:
    a. Yes, support

    The Glen picnic area:
    b. Yes, support
    c. Yes, support

    ReplyDelete
  20. item 1 yes to all
    Item 2 yes to all

    ReplyDelete
  21. Anonymous11:52 am

    Graeme Allan
    Yes to all
    graeme@prinzproductions.com

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  22. Anonymous1:32 pm

    Nicola George
    nicoladebeer@mweb.co.za
    Item 1
    SUMMER:01 November to 30 April
    a)NO
    Dogs should be allowed off the leash after 6pm
    b)yes, support
    c)yes, support

    WINTER:01 May to 31 October

    Dogs should be allowed off leash and allowed on the beach at all times during Winter as the beaches are for the most part empty.

    ITEM 2

    Yes to all

    ReplyDelete
  23. Anonymous2:07 pm

    I feel dogs should have a right to run free and socialise they become less aggresive and happy dogs.

    ReplyDelete
  24. Anonymous2:09 pm

    Pam Newby
    pam@crag.org.za
    Camps Bay beach dogwalking
    SUMMER:
    a. Dogs should be allowed off-leash from 8pm
    b. yes
    c. okay
    WINTER:
    d. Dogs should be allowed off-leash from 7pm
    e. yes
    f. okay
    DOGWALKING IN THE GLEN:
    yes to all

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  25. Anonymous3:49 pm

    Julian Barnard
    petsunltd@iburst.co.za
    Beach Walking: Summer & Winter: How about a separate dog section specifically for dogs and their walkers??

    The Glen walking: Off leash at all hours.

    I believe that if you have control of your dog then they should be free to be off-leash.
    Use general common sense..thats all it takes!!

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  26. Geoff Rudman4:14 pm

    Yes to both items

    ReplyDelete
  27. Barry Van Niekerk
    Barryvn@telkomsa.net
    ITEM 1: DOGWALKING ON THE MAIN CAMPS BAY BEACH:

    SUMMER: 01 November to 30 April
    a. Dogs only on leashes - 6 pm to 5 am - yes
    b. Dogs not on leashes - 5 am to 9 am - Yes
    c. No dogs allowed on beach - 9 am to 6 pm. - Yes

    WINTER: 01 May to 31 October
    d. Dogs only on leashes – 3 pm to 6 am - Yes
    e. Dogs not on leashes - 6 am to 11 am - Yes
    f. No dogs allowed on beach - 11 am to 3 pm - Yes

    ITEM 2: DOGWALKING IN THE GLEN:

    All areas except The Glen picnic area:
    a. OFF LEASH: ALL HOURS - Yes

    The Glen picnic area:
    b. ON LEASH: Saturday & Sunday 12h00 to sunset. Yes
    c. OFF LEASH: All hours except the abovementioned. Yes

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  28. Lee Harris
    lee@backpackers.co.za
    Summer = 1C
    Winter = f
    at all other times dogs should be allowed to freely run on the beaches as long as they are well behaved and their owners pick up after them
    Glenn = a

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  29. Anonymous5:32 pm

    We got a fine (the fine read... no hawking permit)! for having our dogs on Glen Beach on a fresh autumn morning. The beach was empty!

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  30. Anonymous3:56 am

    ida elsje
    ida@idaelsje.com
    item 1:
    yes to all
    item 2:
    d.agree,accept when bad weather ad beach is empty
    e.agree
    f.agree,accept when bad weather ad beach is empty

    item 2:
    agree to all

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  31. Anonymous11:08 am

    summer- dogs should be allowed off leash from 6pm.
    yes to all else

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  32. Item 1: yes to all
    Item 2: yes to all

    But the Glen should be off-leash at all times.

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  33. Anonymous11:53 am

    Pauline Mitchell
    paulinem@mweb.co.za
    item 1 yes to all
    item 2 yes to all

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  34. Colin and I are firmly in favour of relaxation of the punitive rules that are being applied to the relatively harmless exercising of our dogs on the beach (and now....the GLEN!)
    It is not only the owners that are being deprived, but the dogs themselves. We all enjoy letting our dogs run and socialise, and most of us pick up their poops in plastic bags and deposit them in the nearest bin.
    As long as the dogs are not dangerous we should not be deprived of our rights.
    As for the Glen, and the entire Table Mountain area, I am appalled. I have walked dogs in the Glen for some 40 years, and I really resent these new restrictions. There is little wild life in the Glen, other than squirrels, who are well able to take care of themselves. Walking on a narrow mountain path with a dog on a lead is uncomfortable and even dangerous for the walker. To leave the dog at home, and go off alone, with pack and boots is also dangerous, and causes much emotional distress to the dog.

    From Christine Carter, 3 Central Drive, Camps Bay 8005

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  35. In response to Anonymous who wrote: "Most dog owners who walk their dogs...", Trudi Groenewald from the CBRRA replies:
    Please note that there is currently no time at all when dogs on the beach may be off-leash. As an offer to the non-doglovers in exchange for time to run dogs free on the beach, a period of time when no dogs are allowed on the beach is proposed during winter. I do not think this is too much to ask for the pleasure of having time when our four-footed frineds can play free in the waves.

    With regard to the Glen, please note that Sanparks rule is that dogs must be on-leash in the Glen picnic area. Remember that you require a Dogwalking Permit from Sanparks to walk your dog anywhere within the Table Mountain National Park."

    Trudi Groenewald (CBRRA)

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  36. Mikki van Zyl11:14 am

    Yes to all suggestions.
    Please increase policing of ALL littering, including dog poohs.

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  37. Phyllis11:17 am

    I would like to be able to walk my 2 dogs off leash on Camps Bay Beach when the beach is not crowded with people (e.g., early morning, evenings, fall/winter).

    Thanks for organizing this.

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  38. Carol Burmeister4:33 pm

    Yes to all.

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  39. Anonymous11:07 am

    My dog is my life partner. The two hours I spend every afternoon walking with her in the serenity of The Glen is the high point in my life. Off the leash she can run to her heart's content, enjoy the smells and sounds of nature, her happiness shines around her like an aura. Given her love for and loyalty to me, this is the only way I can repay her. During those two hours I feel serene and at one with my beloved nature and my beloved dog.

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  40. Anonymous3:12 pm

    Santa Gomes
    santa.bakoven@gmail.com

    Yes to all.

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  41. Kerry Wallace4:03 pm

    Kerry Wallace
    21 Rottingdean Rd
    Camps Bay
    Yes to all

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  42. Anonymous5:17 pm

    I heartily agree and say yes to all the points raised.

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  43. Dogs should be allowed on the beach and in the glen and on all walks within the park ANYTIME on and off leashes at the owners discretion.
    Heavy fines for people who dont clean excrement,- that simple. (R500-R1000)
    A culture that is encouraged where animals are integrated into our lives on companion levels is a huge plus for a civilisation that wants to encourage empathy and kindness.
    Owners must take responsibility and care and help encourage good feelings to their animals. In France its not uncommon to see people with their companion animals inside smart restuarants and they are VERY MUCH PART OF THE FAMILY! A wonderful sight...
    even using the word "PET" is a bit outdated and stale,- they are companion animal friends to maany of us and not "PETS"

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  44. frans van rensburg5:42 pm

    Yes to item 1 & 2

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  45. Anonymous8:39 pm

    this is ridiculous
    give people and the dogs freedom

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  46. anonymous above - what a brilliant post.
    I totally agree!!!

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  47. Anonymous9:09 am

    Emma Hulton
    ehulton@gmail.com
    Item 1: No to all
    Item 2: Yes to all
    I don't believe dogs should ever be allowed on beaches, where people sit and children play in the sand. The truth is that there will always be dog owners and walkers who do not pick up after their dogs, which makes dog walking on a beach a health hazard for beackgoers and especially children. There are many parks and green areas including the glen where people can excersize their dogs, which is why i have voted yes to all glen walking suggestions.

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  48. Judy Kaplan11:27 am

    Thank you so much for arranging the proposal as set out in your communication.
    Am in favour of ALL suggestions.
    P.S. Does one need a permit to walk the dog in the Glen, and if so from where is this obtained?

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  49. Nancy
    nacywhome@absamail.co.za

    ITEM 1.
    Summer
    a) Yes
    b) No (They should only be allowed on the beach not on leashes until 7am ) Parents with babies and toddlers are on the beaches very early in the summer and there is a huge risk of these children being mauled.
    c) No (Dogs not allowed after 7am)

    Winter

    d) Yes
    e) Yes
    f) Yes

    ITEM 2.

    a) Yes (as long as all dog faeces are removed)
    b) Yes
    c) Yes

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  50. From Sue Luck, SueL@incemotiv.co.za
    Thanks for sending this suggested method of exercise\recreation for our dogs.
    My vote is below:

    SUMMER: 01 November to 30 April
    a. Dogs only on leashes - 6 pm to 5 am Yes
    b. Dogs not on leashes - 5 am to 9 am Yes
    c. No dogs allowed on beach - 9 am to 6 pm. No they should be allowed on beach from 4pm.

    WINTER: 01 May to 31 October
    d. Dogs only on leashes – 3 pm to 6 am Yes
    e. Dogs not on leashes - 6 am to 11 am Yes
    f. No dogs allowed on beach - 11 am to 3 pm NO, they should be allowed on the beach in winter times all day.

    As a further initiative we wish to gauge your reaction to the following proposal:

    ITEM 2: DOGWALKING IN THE GLEN:

    All areas except The Glen picnic area:
    a. OFF LEASH: ALL HOURS Yes, provided they are not dangerous.

    The Glen picnic area:
    b. ON LEASH: Saturday & Sunday 12h00 to sunset. Yes
    c. OFF LEASH: All hours except the abovementioned Yes provided they are not dangerous

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  51. Item 1
    A /dogs should be able to be off leashes at this time.
    B / yes
    C / yes
    D / dogs not on leashes 4.00 pm to 6.00 am
    E / Dogs not on leashes 6.00 am to 10.00 am
    F /No dogs from 10.00 am to 4.00 pm

    Item 2

    A/ yes
    B / Yes
    C / Yes

    Great initiative – thanks very much.

    Pat Goodall
    pat@prop-man.co.za

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  52. Byron Herbert
    Yes happy with the proposal.

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  53. Item 1: Yes
    Item 2: Yes

    Regards

    - Mark Mulholland
    mark.mulholland@mane.co.za

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  54. NAME: Kirshni Totaram
    Email address: ktotaram@coronation.co.za

    ITEM1:
    a. Yes
    b. Yes
    c. Yes
    d. Yes
    e. Yes
    f. Yes

    ITEM 2:
    a. Yes
    b. Yes
    c. Yes

    Can we please ensure that all dog owners pick up after their dogs when walking them both on the beach and on the promenade.

    Thanks and regards

    kirshni

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  55. Carine and Robin Marks\carine@proteamas.co.za

    Item 1 YES
    Item 2 yes

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  56. Hi,

    I would like to support both item 1 and item 2.

    Peter Leger
    pleger@coronation.co.za

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  57. Anonymous
    Agree with beach proposals.
    Against Glen proposals.

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  58. In reply to your survey.
    Greg Coulstock
    gregcoulstock@yahoo.com.
    Item 1 .YES
    responsible dog owners should be allowed the opportunity to let dogs run free,enjoy themselves and socialise on the beach.
    Item 2 .YES
    Dogs should be allowed to run free in the Glen and Mountain provided that they are not aggressive,aggresive dogs should be on a leash at all times.

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  59. Name : Lucinda Dare
    Address: dare@global.co.za

    Item 1
    A: No – don’t see why dogs have to be on leads at night.
    B: Yes
    C: yes
    D: No – same as a above.
    E: Yes
    F: Yes

    Item 2
    A: Yes
    B: Yes
    C: Yes

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  60. Mark Thompson
    mark@tied.co.za

    Item1
    Yes to all

    Item2
    Yes to all

    Thanks and good luck with your efforts.

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  61. Herbert Voigt

    SUMMER: 01 November to 30 April
    a. Dogs only on leashes - 6 pm to 5 am YES
    b. Dogs not on leashes - 5 am to 9 am YES
    c. No dogs allowed on beach - 9 am to 6 pm. YES

    WINTER: 01 May to 31 October
    d. Dogs only on leashes – 3 pm to 6 am YES
    e. Dogs not on leashes - 6 am to 11 am YES
    f. No dogs allowed on beach - 11 am to 3 pm YES

    As a further initiative we wish to gauge your reaction to the following proposal:

    ITEM 2: DOGWALKING IN THE GLEN:

    All areas except The Glen picnic area:
    a. OFF LEASH: ALL HOURS YES

    The Glen picnic area:
    b. ON LEASH: Saturday & Sunday 12h00 to sunset. YES
    c. OFF LEASH: All hours except the abovementioned. YES

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  62. Yes to all

    (Actually I think the rules should be further relaxed: all ON LEASH times should be OFF LEASH. Dogs should never have to be on leashes.)

    Sandra Van Hoogstraten

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  63. Bev Moolman

    Thanks for the info.
    Kate and I go to the beach every day.

    We love picking up the recycles thing that people leave behind.

    Regards ,
    Bev and Kate

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  64. Ursula Ehrentraut:
    We do understand the pleasure a dog owner feels when their dogs have a chance to run freely. I have had many dogs over the years, dogs of all sizes and temperaments. Labradors, which were kind natured and great with kids, various types of terriers, who are generally were brave and don't know their size, Alsatians, and Rottweilers, which are great one man dogs but are definitely not good with children, and can be dangerous to other dogs and grown up people as well. So can Bulldogs, and many other types of dogs, if approached in a threatening way. Or if they can sense that you are scared of them. And many people are scared of big dogs, not just children. And small dogs can also be in danger. I am also not sure how you will really control cleaning up after the dogs, if they run freely.
    I think, if you intend to go ahead with your plans, the time on the beach in winter should not be longer than 6am to 10am, and warning signs to be up everywhere so people with small dogs, children or who are nervous of dogs can stay away during that time. In the Glen they should not run freely in the Picnic areas, or it will interfere with people who want to enjoy a peaceful picnic. I am not sure I understand the wisdom of having dogs run everywhere else in the Glen freely, there are squirrels, porcupines, dassies and many other small animals in the Glen, which is just one of the reasons I kept my dogs on a leash. But if you feel owners will be able to control their dogs without a leash, and that it is ok for dogs to run freely in a Forest Reserve, there should still be some rules attached to this concession, and only within a restricted timespan. Here too, warning signs would have to be put up as well.
    That is my take on the dogs issue. Well-trained dogs, and those which listen to commands are not going to be the problem, it is the rest of them (and owners often see their dogs in a very rosy and loving way, which can be far removed from realities. It is never their dog, that killed the little buck, or left their mass, or bit a child, and very little anyone could do about it without controls or proof. )
    Good luck with your survey. I am sure you will do the right thing, and that sense will prevail.
    Kind regards
    Ursula

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  65. I am one of the regulars on the beach during summer and have been constantly harassed by the police and have received numerous tickets. As my dog and I swim it is imperative that she is allowed off the lead as it is dangerous for me to swim while she is on the leash.

    I would be content with the proposals as set out by you.

    Ruth Tocker

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  66. Chris Loker
    yes to all
    Chris

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  67. Item 1. Yes
    Item 2. Yes

    Richard Marshall

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  68. Support the proposal yes yes yes

    Mr and Mrs Trevor and Sandy Davis

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  69. Kerry Wallace

    Vote Item 1
    Yes in favour of controlled dog walking on Camps Bay Beach

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  70. To whom it may concern:

    I am completely against any dogs off leashes in any public area.

    On Camps Bay beach I have seen wild and unruly dogs knock over small children and elderly walkers.
    If you want your dog to run wild move to the country.
    If your dog does not have enough space, get a smaller dog or more space.

    I have personally been attacked and bitten by free running dogs twice in my life and have the scars to prove it.
    Over the past years I have been growled at and harassed by dogs on Lion's Head as well as Camps Bay beach.
    The beaches and parks are there for everyone to enjoy.

    In my experience dog owners are an undisciplined lot and highly defensive when criticized.
    Walks on Lions' Head are spoiled by the unbearable stench of dog faeces.
    Weekends are spoiled by the incessant barking of dogs that have been left unattended by owners off for days at a time.

    Until these things change:
    stricter laws and consequences should be put in place for dogs and their owners, not the other way around.

    All dogs should be on a leash at all times in any public area.

    Zaan Claassens

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  71. Ian & Kelly McWilliam

    Item 1 Yes to all, Dogs should be on lead until midnight, then run freely until 9am in summer and 11am in winter.
    Item 2 Yes to all, Dogs should be without leads from 5pm in picnic area.

    Thanks

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  72. Name: Prue Hare


    ITEM 1: DOGWALKING ON THE MAIN CAMPS BAY BEACH:

    SUMMER: 01 November to 30 April
    a. Dogs only on leashes - 6 pm to 5 am : NO. LEASHES ONLY FROM 7pm-5am.
    b. Dogs not on leashes - 5 am to 9 am : YES
    c. No dogs allowed on beach - 9 am to 6 pm.: YES

    WINTER: 01 May to 31 October
    d. Dogs only on leashes – 3 pm to 6 am : NO. TOO EARLY TO PUT ON LEASHES. START AT 6pm-6am
    e. Dogs not on leashes - 6 am to 11 am : YES
    f. No dogs allowed on beach - 11 am to 3 pm: NO. 11am-6pm.

    As a further initiative we wish to gauge your reaction to the following proposal:

    ITEM 2: DOGWALKING IN THE GLEN:

    All areas except The Glen picnic area: YES
    a. OFF LEASH: ALL HOURS

    The Glen picnic area:
    b. ON LEASH: Saturday & Sunday 12h00 to sunset. YES
    c. OFF LEASH: All hours except the abovementioned. YES

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  73. Dear CBRRA,
    I am the owner of 3 wonderful, water-and beach loving very active Golden Retrievers. It was my big fear recently that the day will come, where we will not be able to walk or run our dogs free at Camps Bay beach at all. Therefore, I am very pleased to read your proposal and thank you
    for the initiative. It expresses at a 100% my thoughts and wishes for all of us dog walkers here in Camps Bay. I hope that as ratepayers and residents we will be able to enjoy ourselves together with our dogs of the unique outdoor opportunities that nature has given us here in Camps Bay. I for myself am aware of this immense beauty and joy every single day with all my senses.
    I therefore vote the following;

    yes
    Yes to item A proposal but a no t to the professional dog- and paid walkers, who let the 10 – 20 dogs roaming and socializing free like in a playgroup and do not clean up the mess.
    As an alternative, could we employ a cleaner who does the job that others are neglecting, so that the Pick-nick area in the Glen can also be enjoyed not only by dog-walkers but also in fact by pick-nickers

    Best regards

    Dorly Viollier

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  74. I say YES to dogs off leashes and thus say yes to the following:

    ITEM 1:

    SUMMER: 01 November to 30 April
    b. Dogs not on leashes - 5 am to 9 am

    WINTER: 01 May to 31 October
    e. Dogs not on leashes - 6 am to 11 am

    ITEM 2: DOGWALKING IN THE GLEN:

    All areas except The Glen picnic area:
    a. OFF LEASH: ALL HOURS

    The Glen picnic area:
    c. OFF LEASH: All hours except the abovementioned.

    Kind Regards
    Sanchia Stelling

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  75. Dr Adam Wierzycki,

    Item 1 YES

    Item 2 - YES

    Comments: Full support for dogs and owners and I don’t have a dog …
    Warm regards

    Adam

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  76. Could summer not please be till end of March? Most tourists have left by then

    Item 1 Summer
    a. yes
    b. yes
    c. yes

    Item 1 Winter April to October
    d. yes
    e. yes
    f. yes

    ITEM 2: DOGWALKING IN THE GLEN:
    a. yes
    b. yes

    yes

    Cindy and Alex Jochheim

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  77. Chris and Gila Marshall
    thank you for trying to improve the current rulings!

    item 1: yes to all
    Item 2: d - dogs on leashes from 11am until 6am the following day
    e - dogs off leashes 6am-11am yes
    f - no

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  78. It’s the same old story. Because of a few callous, irresponsible, don’t care, negligent dog owners, the rest who abide by the laws and have common respect and decency for their fellow beach users and dog owners have to suffer.
    It’s the same old scenario, those who don’t care about anyone else or anything else cause all these hassles, where rules have to be created and implemented to prevent infringing on other peoples rights and respect for the same environment.
    It’s all about mutual respect and consideration people. That’s all it takes. Clean up your dogs POOH!

    ITEM 1
    Summer = C.

    Winter = F.

    ITEM 2 = A.

    Regards
    Richard Dames

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  79. Anonymous3:03 pm

    Dogs shouldnt be on a Blue status public beach ever. Walk them on the mountain, in the forrest etc.
    Wake up Camps Bay, check what Plett do. . .
    If any of you live on the beach and wake up to irritating barking daily, you'll agree. If any of you spend time lying in the sun, trying to avoid dog poo, you'll agree. . .

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  80. Azila (Tzili) Reisenberger11:29 am

    Azila (Tzili) Reisenberger

    Item 1:
    Yes
    but add pelase after 6:00 also we can walk the dog on the beach without a leash

    Item 2:
    yes

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  81. I am not a dog owner but I am a parent. I have no problem with dogs in general, but i do have a problem with people who do not clean up after their dogs – with or without leashes. Having a toddler curiously examine what turns out to be dog poo on the beach or in the glen or a park is JUST NOT ON. Perhaps if dogowners stopped to think about others, they might find everyone else becomes more tolerant of them.
    Chantal (Camps Bay mother)

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  82. Roger Trythall

    I am fine with proposal.

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  83. 1. A - yes.

    Claudine Van De Venter

    I walked my Corgis on Camps Bay beach for 17 years and hope that others can experience the same pleasures in life. And most of my happy childhood memories of the beach include dogs, the family's or someone else's.

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  84. Dawn Goodman

    I read your letter with great interest. By the way, I am a member of one of the Green Point ratepayers Ass.committees.

    I walk my little dog often in the Clifton side Glen. I have been concerned for years about the lack of dog owners picking up their dog poo in this area. Since the upgrading of the Restaurant and environs many more people are dogwalking because the area has become far more pleasant and safe, and the amount of poo has increased exponentially.

    I spoke some years ago to the Table Mountain people who appear totally disinterested in doing anything about 'Adult education'ie signage, putting in doggie bags and increasing the amount of bins[there are very few bins along the walks, mainly in the picnic area,] When the workers for Table Mountain clean this area and cut the grass of the picnic area, which they do a couple of times a year, they wear black bags over their overalls -they say they have to do this to protect themselves from the dog excrement which is in the long grass they cannot see which sprays over them in the cutting -they use those grass trimmers

    I hope you will be able to do something as an organisation with much clout,that you indeed have as has been shown in the past, in this regard.

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  85. With regard to the matter of dogs off or on the leash, they should be on a leash at all times. I have 3 dogs and personally feel it is safer for the dogs, the owners and the public. The Camps Bay beachfront and the Glen are no different to the Sea Point beachfront where dogs have to be on a leash.

    Likewise I do wish we could implement a system as they have in the De Waals Park. Here the dogs owners pick up the dog poo and put it into packets supplied all over the park. There are also bins to deposit the packets in. I often walk my dogs in the Glen and the situation is dire. It is unhygienic and the smell is awful because dog owners do not pick up after there dogs.
    How can we enforce that?

    Yours sincerely
    Amber Druian

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  86. My comments on the CBRRA dog survey are as follows:

    Item 1.
    a. No - dogs should be allowed off leash during these times too
    b. Yes
    c. Yes
    d. No - dogs should be allowed off leash during these times too
    e. Yes
    f. Yes

    Item 2.
    a. Yes
    b. Yes
    c. Yes

    Regards
    Philip Stelling

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  87. 1. Yes
    2. Yes

    I am not a dog owner, but I think this is a good solution for all. Thank You

    Gavin Bromley

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  88. Anonymous3:31 pm

    To whom it may concern:

    I fully agree with a previous commentator who said:

    I am completely against any dogs off leashes in any public area.

    On Camps Bay beach I have seen wild and unruly dogs knock over small children and elderly walkers.
    If you want your dog to run wild move to the country.
    If your dog does not have enough space, get a smaller dog or more space.

    I have personally been attacked and bitten by free running dogs twice in my life and have the scars to prove it.
    Over the past years I have been growled at and harassed by dogs on Lion's Head as well as Camps Bay beach.
    The beaches and parks are there for everyone to enjoy.

    In my experience dog owners are an undisciplined lot and highly defensive when criticized.
    Walks on Lions' Head are spoiled by the unbearable stench of dog faeces.
    Weekends are spoiled by the incessant barking of dogs that have been left unattended by owners off for days at a time.

    Until these things change:
    stricter laws and consequences should be put in place for dogs and their owners, not the other way around.

    All dogs should be on a leash at all times in any public area.

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  89. Graeme Allan

    Item 1: Yes
    Item 2 : Yes

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  90. Lyn Ziervogel8:31 pm

    Lyn Ziervogel

    Item 1 : Yes
    Item 2 : Yes

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  91. Thanks so much for taking this initiative. I am a dog lover and also walk my dogs for their and my health. I agree with the recommendations except that I feel there should be some evening time as well for off leash walking as some of us go to work early and can only walk our dogs in the evenings. I suggest that winter 5pm onwards it is already getting dark and dogs should be able to walk off leashes at least from 6pm onwards. Perhaps in summer off leash walking could be permitted from 8pm onwards except during the holiday season Dec-Jan.
    Regards
    Jennifer van Papendorp

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  92. Carole Elliott
    elliottfamily@jaywalk.com
    No.1 yes
    no.2 yes

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  93. Anonymous10:16 am

    Mike Elliott
    mike.elliott@luxottica.co.za
    No.1yes
    no.2 yes

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  94. Anonymous10:17 am

    Jamie Elliott
    elliottfamily@jaywalk.com
    yes
    yes to all

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  95. Anonymous10:18 am

    Kyle Elliott
    elliottfamily@jaywalk.com
    no1.yes
    no.2 yes

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  96. I agree with all the above with regard to walking dogs on beach. From Mike Carole Jamie and Kyle Elliott
    49 Strathmore Rd
    Camps Bay
    Elliot Family

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  97. Dear CBRRA,
    I agree with all your proposals regarding times of walking dogs with and without leashes as well as the restricted walking times suggested – I have two medium to large dogs and they are missing their walks!!
    Sincerely
    Margie Knowles

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  98. Paul Hancock9:17 pm

    This is in the right direction, but who thought up the idea that dogs should be on a leash during the whole night till 5am in the morning and then could run freely thereafter till 9am/11am in summer/winter?

    The result of unreasonable rules is mass dissobedience from normally law abiding citizens. An overzealous enforcer fined me at 7.30am last month on Glen Beach (for not having my dog on a lead), when I wasn't even on the beach but was walking on the path above the beach while the beach was completely deserted!

    To be fair to all users it is reasonable to ban dogs for a period during the day to give any dog phobic people their time and then let the owners and their dogs unrestricted access for the rest of the time. That way both groups can live in harmony.

    I feel the following is reasonable and therefore enforcible.

    SUMMER: 01 November to 30 April
    a. Dogs on leashes - 6 pm to 5 am NOT REASONABLE. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE MY DOG FOR A WALK ON THE BEACH AT SUNSET OR AT MIDNOTE WITHOUT A LEAD
    b. Dogs not on leashes - 5 am to 9 am YES
    c. No dogs allowed on beach - 9 am to 6 pm. YES

    WINTER: 01 May to 31 October
    d. Dogs only on leashes – 3 pm to 6 am NEITHER REASONABLE NOR ENFORCIBLE
    e. Dogs not on leashes - 6 am to 11 am YES
    f. No dogs allowed on beach - 11 am to 3 pm YES

    Paul Hancock
    Glen Beach Resident
    paul.hancock@expofund.co.uk

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  99. Another thing to point out if you take this issue on, is : each day at least 6 professional dogwalkers bring at least 5 dogs twice a day each- think of the mess that brings!!!! most of these people do not seem to be too concerned about cleaning up after their dogs!!!!!!!!!!
    Dawn

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  100. Dear CBRRA

    It is my view that as a special concession,
    dogs should be allowed to run un-leaded (lead free) on Camps Bay beach for ONE specified hour a day.
    (Only Camps Bay beach - not Bakoven / Clifton etc..)

    A sufficient number of Law Enforcement officers would have to be present
    to punish those dog owners who leave poop behind
    and let their dogs be boisterous and bite children and knock over old grannies etc..

    I suggest that those naughty dog owners should be put on leads
    and spanked with rolled up newspaper on their noses in public.

    Yours most sincerely

    Carlos Liltved

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  101. Jane Mead10:52 am

    Sorry but we should follow Europe's example and ban dogs from beaches entirely. There are too many dangerous dogs let loose on the beach and after all any dog is unpredictable, owners are in denial. Dogs do bite even the most placid ones can snap - it is unhygenic for children and adults to be in contact with sand where dogs have urinated and fouled. There are too many dogs in Cape Town, if you want security invest in some high tech alarm this is the 21st Century. Dog permits should be implemented as they are in Europe, these are expensive and deter people from having too many dogs. Cape Town should ban dogs from all beaches as the majority of people are not disciplined enough to be responsible dog owners.

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  102. Anonymous1:40 pm

    Beverley Schafer
    beverleys@da.org.za
    Item 1 Yes to all
    Item 2 Yes to all

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  103. katherine12:44 pm

    Katherine McChesney
    katherinem@habarigroup.com

    SUMMER: 01 November to 30 April
    a. Dogs should be allowed off leash at this time
    b. Yes
    c. No: Dogs should be on Leash at this time

    WINTER: 01 May to 31 October
    d. Dogs should be allowed off leash at this time
    e. Yes
    f. No: Dogs should be on Leash at this time

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